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AURORA.21歳.シンガーソングライター.

直感的に好きになったアーティストで、でも今回ラジオで話を聞いてみたら、自分の好きという感情以上に、強いものを感じた。彼女は環境問題やセクシュアリティなどの社会的な要素を音楽に取り入れながら、美しく、非常に楽しんで活動している唯一無二の人だと思う。

ラジオポッドキャストを全文書き起こして、一部日本語に訳してみたので(追ってこれから増やしていく予定)AURORAがずっと好き!ずっとファン!という人も全然ご縁がなかった人にも読んでほしいくて書きました。彼女の言葉が少しでも制作や生活、仕事の糧になればなと思う。

 

声も子供のような女神のような、ヒロインボイスなので流しながら是非:

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/12-learning-to-live-with-grief-and-joy-with-aurora/id1459416461?i=1000444280539

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(司会者)

Auroraさんoutrage & OPTIMISMへようこそ!お時間ありがとうございます

 Auroraさんの音楽には素敵な有機的な流れがありますよね。希望と絶望、もしくはこのラジオ番組で言うところのOptimism(楽観主義)とPessimism(悲観主義)の織り交ぜが。

それもとても美しく調和させている、、「バランス」という言葉を使おうか迷うのですが、、とにかくとても自然な流れがあるなと思って。それはどこから来るものなんでしょう?

 

(Aurora)

それは、音楽が止んだ後に何が残されてほしいか、という思いから来ています。

聞いてくれていた人達が、静かになった後にどう感じてほしいか、ということです。

音楽には様々な影響を及ぼす力を持っていてほしいですし。

音楽は私たちが「感じる」ことのために必要なものです。

自分の感情を理解するため

自分を上手く分解して、また構築するため

世界に出ていくための準備

でも人に大丈夫だ、と信じてもらうのと同時に、感情の解放を行いたいんです。

私は悲しみを美化・ロマンチックに仕立て上げるのには反対です。

それを表現するのは良いのですが、ない方がずっと良いということも分かっています。

 

(音楽の二極性は)そのような考えから来ているのではないでしょうか。

私は両極端な人間なので。

あとあなたが言っていた「バランスではない」というのも面白かったです。

なんだかもっと、ダンスのようなことですよね。

 

(司会者)

そうそう、流れですもんね。

 

(Aurora)

はい、流れです。

時には片方をより欲したりします。

するとくるりと切り替えができたり

私がすることは全て両要素あると思います。

 

(司会者)

どこかで読んだのですがあなたはオーディエンスに「感情の教育」をしたいと言っていましたよね、つまりそれはそういうことですか?

 

(Aurora)

そう、そうなんです。

なんだか、、私たちは社会を自分たちに合わないような歪なものにしてしまった

そして大切なことを話すのが本当に下手なことを見ると、とても困惑します。

話すべきことを話すと 解放されますし、

信頼している人の前で泣くと より深い絆が結ばれます

自分を解放することで、本当に良いことが色々とあるんです。

 

でも私たちの社会ではあたかもそれはもうしてはいけない、という雰囲気です。特に男性は。

本当に悲しいことですし、それは自殺率にも見られます。

死者の73%は男性なんですよね。明快な結果だと思います。

感情の教育が機能していないのと、社会が助けを必要とする人に耳を傾け邸内からです。

そこで音楽が力になれると思うんです。

特に私の音楽。必要とする人達により添えればと思います。

 

(司会者)

最近の秀作に、環境問題のデモをする人達の映像がいくつかちょこっと入りますよね。

若い学生が通りに出て、抗議をしているだけではなく、怒りをあらわにしていて

なんだか「神聖な怒り」とでも言いたくなるのですが

それはAuroraさんの経験の中にどう組み込まれているのかが気になって。

なぜ映像でも歌詞でももちろん環境問題は私たちの見解では人類が直面している今世紀最大の課題だと思うのですが芸術の文脈でそれを見ることはあまりないので、それを取り上げたのか教えてください。

 

(Aurora)

そうなんです。

不思議ですよね。みんなが音楽の可能性を忘れるに連れて、音楽も与えるのをやめてしまった。

そして最近は音楽に情熱や怒りを感じなくなってしまった。

方向性のある怒りですよ誰も得をしない盲目な怒りではなく明確に方向性があって、今良くないことを変えたいという希望を持った怒り。

それに今は理不尽なことに対して怒りを表す、最適な時とも言えます。

だって地球温暖化は私たちや私たちの子供達にとって、とても理不尽なことですから。

私たちはこの、死にゆく世界に生まれて、そして今この世代が地球を殺すのか、それとも治して未来の子供達に残すのか、という選択をしなければならないのです

地球を救うことができたら、私たちはそれをずっと背負って生きていける。

それって素晴らしいことじゃないですか?

だけど、そうですね。私はとても政治的なアルバムを作りました。音楽業界にそれをちょっと求めていたのかもしれません。

また私はポップスを作っていますが、内容がしっかりある、とでも言いますか。

そう、で長いこと音楽に政治的な要素がないな、と思っていて もし他に誰もやる人がいないのなら、私がやっちゃおうと思って。

 

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outrage!+OPTIMISM

Well Aurora thank you very much for taking time to join us here on outrage & OPTIMISM
Mm-hm
You’re music is quite a fantastic natural flow. How you bring all the despair and hope, or in our language pessimism and optimism.
And you bring them both so beautifully together, I’m not sure if i would use the word balance – i think there’s a natural flow between them, and I was just wondering, where does that come from? in you
Well I,, it comes from what i want to be left with after the music is gone.
it comes from what i wish people to feel when its quiet again.
I wish for music to be able to do many things to people
i think music is essential to make us feel.
To help us understand our emotions
To break us down a bit better and build us up again
So we feel more prepared for the world than weak.
But i want to create a release of emotion at the same time as one to make people believe that its going to be OK
Im very against romanticising sadness
Im very for expressing it, but knowing that you’re much better without
so i think that’s where it comes from
I m a very extreme human being in both ways so
and i like that you said – its not really called balance, its like this dance isn’t it?
Right
Yeah its like a flow
Yes, its like a flow
because sometimes you need more of the other
but they change just perfectly
everything i do has to have a bit of both i think
I read somewhere that you use the term ‘emotionally educate’ the audience
is that what you mean?
Yes yes it is,
i feel like people are… we’ve made society in a way that doesn’t really fit people
and it really baffles me to see how bad we are in talking about things that are really essential to talk about
and i guess when you talk about things you get to release, and when you cry in front of someone you trust, it creates a deeper bond.
it can turn into so many good things when you finally release yourself
but in our society it seems like we are not allowed anymore – especially not men
which is really sad. which you can see in the suicide rates
you know, 73% are men, and its quite obvious to me why.
its the emotional education that has failed us, and the world isn’t listening to the people that needs to be heard
and i think that’s where music comes in. especially my music. i hope it can be there for the ones that needs it.
you know, one of your latest master pieces, brings in the video, it brings in a few quick shots of the climate strikers
these very young students who are out in the streets, not just protesting but expressing anger
expressing what i would almost call ‘blessed anger’
and i was wondering how did that come in to your experience, why did you pick that up, visually in your video but also in the song because, yes climate is definitely – in our perspective- the greatest challenge humanity has faced in this century, but its not very usual for it to be picked up in an artistic form
i know
and its been very strange to me because the more we have forgotten what music can offer us, the less we have gotten out of music.
and lately it feels like music is missing that passion and anger
you know, directed anger – not blind anger that does noone any good, but the really clearly directed anger, towards the wish to change something that is not good enough today.
and i feel like maybe the young kids haven’t learnt it yet and that’s why we are so feel to express anger
adits also the perfect age to feel anger towards something that is unfair, because
global warming is unfair especially to us and our children
you know so its such an unfair thing because we were just thrown into the world – a dying word – and now we are facing an incredibly important change that we can either be that all of our generation killed the planet, or we can actually be the generation that fixed it, and saved it for our future children.
and forever we will be the generation that saved the planet and have that on our shoulders
i would love to have that – wouldn’t you too?
but i think i made a really political album, i felt like I’ve been missing that in music.
and i make pop music but very, it has a lot of  content i would say.
and yeah, I’ve just been missing it for a long time and i thought, well if noone’s gonna do it then im gonna do it
Mm
 and here also, it feels good to be able to use my vioce
it makes things that are exhausting, less exhausting
because if you’re not benefiting off anybody , then at least the world is in some way
and it feels good to be fighting something bigger than you
and i think people like that, we have to remind them how happy it would make us to fight
and there it also fits with the ‘optimism’ part of your podcast, i truly believe that we can,
 and i feel like its important to show the protesters in my video, because we are showing that we are here we are ready we have already begun
its not hopeless, its beginning to happern
and a revolution is coming soon
yes indeed!
and that-  what you just said is very true. that music becomes focused on the personal experience of ‘me and my life’
individual heart break and individual loss
and that’s sort of ubiquitous when you look around
and i thnk one of the reasons why we ere so interested in you was that
you don’t approach your life like that, you see it in a much broader context
have you always been like that, or is that something that has changed later in life
no i have actually been like that
ive been thinking about this exact thing lately
because ive been thinking
im already making music now, that i know i would release in like 10 years time
because i know that’s gonna be when we need that song
so ive always ive thinking very far ahead
i don’t know why
maybe it was like a survival thing
because i didn’t really fit into school as you can imagine
i didnt really work well with people, because i wasn’t really interested in people
when i was a kid i was very interested in myself and the forest most of the time
and i think i spent – when i was a tiny bit bullied i remember i thought
this is just now. what am i gonna be doing in 10 years then im gonna do something important
im going somewhere
so i always had long dreams
because then everything makes more sense, and if you’re going through something hard, its easier
because you know that times change and life is longer than you think
even though we say that time goes too quickly
but life is bigger than you think, and life is bigger than you think
even you are bigger than you think
its nice to get some perspective its a nice survival thing as well
cos small problems become smaller
i think again, there’s a lot of empowerment that goes on amongst young people
but there’s also a huge amount of anxiety. people are very anxious and connecting to the suicide rates and social media and everything
you don’t seem to be anxious – you seem to be very sort of happy to be able to step into your power of being what you call ‘a true warrior for the earth’
is that connected to the broad perspective you have for your whole life?
i think it is, and i remember the first time i felt connected to people
i felt very disconnected to other humans, which sounds very strange but i think i didn’t have anything in common with the people around me
and i remember feeling will i ever have someone to truly connect with and who really understands me
but then i realized it was so easy to connect when someone was going through something bad
and how lovely it is to talk to someone,, i really enjoy hearing about other people’s problems because it is kind of cocky even, because i always think i can help
i always think i can help
and ive always felt in my childhood too, i often asked people if they looked a bit sad, what is it?
and then  i learnt how much we had in common
and if i every felt the same
the next day, i would know that this is what she said earlier
and then it made everything easier to handle, because i realized more and more very quick, that these things that seem very difficult, they’re so natural
and then they became less dangerous because they’re just normal things
that comes along being human
and they’re worth it
because then you have all these beautiful things
that also comes along being human
and it created this perspective again,
you know its all about perspective i think
the way you look at things, and i learnt that quite young
i get anxious when im in  a locked space with many people
then i can get a bit anxious , but that’s because im used to space
and air where i come from
so that’s the only place i can get a bit anxious
but that has more to do with the noise
but no, im not an anxious person, because i believe i can offer the world more if im not,
so i try to just believe that i am more than that
i love your understanding of the importance of perspective
and how that opens our own agency
so one of the things that we remind ourselves that ‘impossible’ is not a fact but an attitude
 yes
and its the attitude that defines whether something is possible or imposible
whether something is despairing or hopeful
because the seed of hope and despair is always there
so its our attitude that looks at it and decides which is going to flourish more for us
yes absolutely! and that’s very interesting because one of my singles
‘apple tree’ is just about that – letting especially the children
because in the chorus i say ‘let her save the world because she’s only a girl, let him save the world because he’s just a boy’
FANTASTIC
and its about just about what you said
its about letting children have impossible dreams, so they can achieve impossible things
so its about changing the attitude, because i thought i could save the world when i was a child
i thought if i showered in cold water, i would be something very great
but i thought that i could do something that would help the whole world
but then people told me that
oh no you can’t maybe save the whole world but maybe you can do this and that
and i think we should let children believe that they can, because maybe they will
and its just about that
you also made a good point, which i agree with,  that you can contribute to global issues from a personal perspective
because ultimately all the global issues are created by ourselves so the collective effort of all of us can make an impact
and you’ve been pretty explicit in some of your interviews that
you are really encouraging each of us to take our own responsibility and change our lives
and im not sure if i would join you in a cold shower in Norway- i might join you in a shower in Costa Rica that might be a little bit better
but Norway im not sure
Ahaa that’s lovely
well
i think that with perspective, knowing that you have a lot of potential – all poeple have lots of potential
all people are really important to the people around them
and the world
and if people knew just how important they are as individuals
they could really achieve amazing things
but its also about attitude because we are very quick at shaming each other for not doing everything right,
its all about encouraging, if the people do something, that’s a start
exactly
just do what you’re capable of doing
there are many things that i can’t change with my work
like flying for example,
to spread my message and talk to people and play, inspire people
around the world i have to fly sometimes
and that’s heart-breaking
but i can’t do anything about right now
so its all about doing the things you can do now
in the areas you can help
then it has to come to a point too where, its a slightly aggressive act but
we have to start boycotting the companies that are doing the worst damage to the world
and some of the richest people in the world are benefitting most of what’s actually causing global worming
so that’s kind of where we are coming to now,
that the true power comes from the people
and we can change those big corporate things, but we can, because they depend on the people
that kind of reactions are you getting from the people, your fan base
to the fact that you’ve become much more political on your sexuality, on climate change, on the fate of the plant
you’ve become much much more political
what kind of reactions do you get from fans?
in the being i think i lost a few, slightly narrow-minded people
who were like this isn’t what ive signed up for
and i felt very happy that i felt like the choice is mine
i could choose what fans i was going to have
because if they are ready to have empathy towards the world and each other, they can join me
and it felt really good
but now my fans are showing how dependent i am on them
and ive really learnt how much i appreciate them cos without them.
again the true power lies within the mass and together they can change, we can a lot of things, and im so grateful to have them on my team
and they’re such nice people im inspired by them
they don’t think that but they are
and i wouldn’t be here without each a of them coming to my shows
so again, it shows how much it matters that every person makes a choice, and suddenly there’re a thousand people and that’s beautiful
that’s the army that you’re gathering
yes, and army of love
i feel like up til now, many peopler approaching politics in an aggressive way
like me against you
but in my mind its only against
us against the problem we have in common
its not me against you or
him against her
its us against something we need to fight together
you know, us against the problem
so i feel like that’s a good mentality
being a political artist, i think politics can never be a dangerous thing
because its so open minded
and its all about the love, its not filled with hate
its very fueled by love
by saying you love something
saving love
its all about that
an thats a very important difference  – its fueled by kindness
that’s beautiful
i also wanted to ask you about fun
because i am very much on the side of having fun
even while we are facing all these incredible daunting problems
but i i just think without laughing, having fun and humor
there’s just no way that you can continue to gather the energy that needs to be brought forward everyday
nn hm
so you’ve talked about having fun
so i just wanted to get your thoughts on that
well i think its all about fun
i can already see you’re whole body having fun just answering the question
haha
but i do have fun!
and that’s the best thing that’s changed my life
now the interviews are fun because i get to talk about the things i really care about
and it gives me energy
like, this interview is so pleasant – i love doing it with you
its very nurturing, im having lots of fun
that’s why you can tell i think
its all about fun
i think most things are fun
and im a very patient person
we have to have a lot of patience in my profession
cos you wait for something to happen
you wait for the sound check before the show
you wait for the plane to lift you wait in line..
you know, you wait a lot
and some people might think that we waste a lot of time in our life
to travel and wait for the next step to happen
but im having a lot of fun even then
because im very good at zoning out at like 5 minutes at a time
and im in a completely different place
so where do you go when you zone out?
oh i just go inwards
into myself
i have those noise canceling earphones, which are really good for my mind
i hate the sounds of the world sometimes
especially when its a mechanical world, not a natural world
and it brings me a lot of joy to shut that out
and i have these things that i do
i love to count things
i love to clean – pull hairs from poplin front of me in the line, hoping that they won’t notice
hehee
i love to watch people and when you look at them
you can see so clearly sometimes, what people are thinking
and people are so funny when they’re annoyed of someone when they’re taking too much time
its very interesting to just watch the world and you can learn a lot and learn a lot with it
and i make sure to spend time, like i never make a meal at home without lighting a candle
or having tea
its about making those small things also become really important and beautiful
and its all about the small things,  you don’t have to go outing explore the world,
you can make small things really beautiful
absolutely, perhaps that’s even more beautiful
yes because its achievable
and it can teach you how much fun you can have
just you
you don’t need anything else
you’re enough
and i think that’s the most important kind fun i have, with myself
ive learnt how to be my own best friend
which i think is very beneficial
and is very fun
and yes, i know that we live in a world today where everything is not fun
and a lot of people do things everyday they dont think is fun
so they can have fun later
and i guess thats just  how it is
but you can always find a way to enjoy..
HAVE FUN NOW WHY WAIT TIL LATER?
you can have more fun later
yes its true
youre never gonna run out of fun
you can always generate more fun
yes you can always have more fun
there are always people around you to inspire or to make their day better
which can be very fun and give you energy that lasts
you know, bring a good meal to work, something you’ve made
or just small giftsofor yourself all the time
and then of course dance
going out dancing without drinking any alcohol
just being wild and its you and you’re there
and you’re present
that’s a very important kind of fun
i love dancing
i feel more natural in my own body than when i sit still
and i think that’s such a good way to have fun
and the more you look stupid the more free you look to the world
cos they can tell that that’s a person that has no walls
they can have utter freedom
and that’s one of the most beautiful things there is
i think
you’re a beautiful soul
hmm thank you so are you
Aurora thank you so so much
i was gonna say thanks for taking your time
but its not about the time
thank you for the richness that you have shared with us
6.8.2019 HAZUKI

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